Return of the Revenge of the Son of Saying Hi to Josiah!

[Blue Fire Cyndaquil]

But there is black and White. It is not made to justify actions. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). You come in with your perspective on life. Have you even looked at others? I speak of rebellion, not to put myself in power, but to put someone worthy in. Who that is, I know not. But I shall find out. People who claim that it's all relative are those who are trying to justify themselves.

(It's serious now, Phonox. You've attacked my beliefs. It's no longer all in good fun.)

[Winters Rage]

(yes, BFC, I was talking to you)
I... absolutely agree with Phonox with this one... Listen my brethren, he speaks truth, all the rumors that have been spread were false and misjudgments by myself and others, I say, we take Phonox and go forth to our victory against what ever we were gonna fight originally, for we must prevail!!!

[Blue Fire Cyndaquil]

My bretheren, what has happened? Must we fall so low as to as to insult and accuse each other? Can you not step back and see what each means?
Poik, when have I accused you of being evil? I have called you misguided, yes, but not evil. you seek peace through what you see as "right" or "the only way possible".
NG, when have I appeared as a dictator? I merely speak to the people and say what I believe is right. I do not denounce the others view as absolutely false, but wrong in my eyes. I have no beliefs that I wish to impose on everyone. Whether you see this as truth is your choice, and yours alone.
And you speak of rebellion? To dominate those who you feel dominate yourselves? That is not peace, that is a transfer of power. Have you not eyes, to see the suffering of others you will cause, or perhaps you are just indifferent of them, turning them to an abstraction.

We all hold our own truths, our own beliefs. There is no absolute truth, because there cannot be an absolute truth. If one holds it as truth, then another must hold it as a lie. Nothing is absolute. There is no good and evil, there is no black and white, there is no grey area. All just concepts made by humans to justify their actions. No absolute side to be taken, no neutrality, for everything is relative. Relative to what, you ask? Relative to what you believe in, how you were raised, what you learned.

But there is black and White. It is not made to justify actions. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). You come in with your perspective on life. Have you even looked at others? I speak of rebellion, not to put myself in power, but to put someone worthy in. Who that is, I know not. But I shall find out. People who claim that it's all relative are those who are trying to justify themselves.

(It's serious now, Phonox. You've attacked my beliefs. It's no longer all in good fun.)

(yes, BFC, I was talking to you)
I... absolutely agree with Phonox with this one... Listen my brethren, he speaks truth, all the rumors that have been spread were false and misjudgments by myself and others, I say, we take Phonox and go forth to our victory against what ever we were gonna fight originally, for we must prevail!!!

No, I wanted to put a worthy person in power, and he is simply doing that which he said was wrong, slandering us. We are all slandering each other, but he went too far. This is serious now.

[Winters Rage]

Hmm... both of you have interesting points..... I NOMINATE BFC AS OUR EPIC LEADER!!!!! He is plenty heroic and EPIC to do the job plenty well!!!

[BionicleMandi121]

Look, guys, being epic may be incredibly fun, but I think you're all rather derailing the entire point of this thread. Not to mention it's apparently on the verge of turning into a very serious debate on whether the world's black and white or not.
Either make a new thread and argue it out there, or take this to PM, please. It's getting off-topic.

Konnichiwa.

[Saber Knight]

I stand by Phonox on this point: Everything is relative. Leaders of rebellions: are they heroes, liberating people are just devilish troublemakers overthrowing a perfectly good government. Who's to say? They are what others see them to be--and differently they could be seen!

You, sir, in your talk of rebellion! Do you fancy yourself a storytale hero? Ha! Think hard and long. Others will scorn you, others might think you a rabble-rouser and scum!

[BFC... sorry, but 1. I don't agree with you, but also 2. It's not a big deal, think what you want. Arguing is all in good fun]

[Blue Fire Cyndaquil]

I was serious. someone else should do it. I may not be a kid, but I couldn't take that responsibility. We need someone more worthy, as I am a lowly sinner, and although God has forgiven me for all sins, past present and future, I still am not worthy. Do not choose me.

(I'm really serious about Phonox going too far. Really. Serious.)

(I'll make the new thread, and I'll even quote all the important posts to it.)

[Winters Rage]

[It's random week, it's not like it can really be helped.. >>]
Song for the mood: YOUTUBE LINK!

[Phonox]

(So, you say there is black and white, I don't care. I say I think there isn't, you get all mad and say "You went to far!" Oh Em gee, someone has a different opinion than me? He's attacking my beliefs! He really went to far because he decided to voice his opinion and not attack me in any way! I don't bloody care what you believe in and I don't think it's fair that you care about what I believe in.)

[Winters Rage]

I am officially out of this infernal Epic 'debate', from this point onward, my posts will only be as normal only epic-ified.

[Saber Knight]

(So, you say there is black and white, I don't care. I say I think there isn't, you get all mad and say "You went to far!" Oh Em gee, someone has a different opinion than me? He's attacking my beliefs! He really went to far because he decided to voice his opinion and not attack me in any way! I don't bloody care what you believe in and I don't think it's fair that you care about what I believe in.)

This man has taken the bravery to step out of character and voice the truths of this world! I shall stand by Phonox, for I believe his statements to be right... in my own mind, of course, I do not pretend to say they are right for everyone, as different people shall find them different in their own mind! People... you may go out and be individuals--think for yourselves! You need not be offended by those who do not share your views!

[Blue Fire Cyndaquil]

Saying that it's all perspective is saying God does not exist, a direct attack. Staying in character? Your supposed to just do a heroic speech, not attack others beliefs.

[Phonox]

BFC, pull out the quote where I said that God does not exist. Just do it.

Anyway, since I don't know how long it has been since someone has dared traveled the perilous journey across the land to say hi to Josiah, I'll set off now!

Hi, Josiah!

[BionicleMandi121]

* kneads forehead*
We've had this problem, once before, when Gar was still relatively newbie.
BFC. Not everyone believes in God. Phonox did not mean to directly attack your beliefs by saying everything is relative. He might not have known you believed in God or, if he did, he didn't think you would've seen such a view as an attack against you. He didn't mean to insult you. He was trying to maintain the whole heroic speech thing, and if you happen to think of it as an insult, whoopdeedoo. It wasn't intentional. Stop freaking over it.

[Blue Fire Cyndaquil]

You mean from the debate thread? You said something that directly attacked my beliefs. I take these things seriously. I'm angry. And I don't get angry at people I don't know very well easily.

Edit: Sorry, I'm done. But I think a serious debates thread would be a good idea anyway.